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Poster: markduffer Date: Oct 20, 2006 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Just finished reading Blair Jackson's biography of Garcia and found it to be the best of the Dead library. It did get me thinking that Robert Hunter does not get nearly enough credit for his work with the boys. The guy is simply a magician with words.

Anybody have some good Hunter stories -like to learn more about him? Discuss.

MD

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Oct 21, 2006 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

I saw Robert Hunter in Atlanta, I THINK it was 1990, but I really don't remember. It was at a place called the Center Stage, a nice venue which is still there only now flying under the aegis of some sorry corporate sponser, like so many. It was a very good show, but the one thing that always comes to mind is Hunter stopping to tell some drunk fucking asshole that he was bascically, well, a drunk fucking asshole. It needed to be done, as I recall, and was awesome.

As for underrated band members, it's got to be Bill, and I'm happy to see him getting his props here. Nothing against Mickey, but there are times when I love listening to a show from the one-drummer years.

Next would be Bobby, because I've always liked Bobby songs, and I like Bobby's playing, and Bobby gets so much shit all the time, I just had to say it. Bobby spit on me, were you aware of that? Yep. He started spitting on me in the spring of '88 and ended in the fall of '92. And I don't hold it one bit against him, not at all, kids in college, and so on and cetera.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Oct 21, 2006 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Mark:...I was just walking out the door to get some mailers to send out DP #3 and checked the Forum to see what's up...I guess I shouldn't be suprised by coincidences any more in relation to the all things Grateful Dead. I will follow up with an email to you a little later -- Hunter is now periodically sending short stories to the folks who happen to stop by his archive and request to be put on his list. -- and he also now has a forum where people can comment on his short stories as well as post their own creative materials as well (poems, etc.) -- And he particpates in the forum!!! --- some great historical stuff straight from the guy who was There! just one example: he was one of the cats (along with Kesey) who participated in the CIA's acid tests. -- He talks about some of it in the forum. ...very humble dude.
I gotta get some fresh air; the pain meds are making the world spin counter-clockwise. I'll follow-up later, -- AshesRising
(hello "stilldead77!" -- you got a great web site!!)

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Poster: mcglone Date: Oct 21, 2006 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band


(hello "stilldead77!" -- you got a great web site!!)

hey stilldead,

i'm most curious, care to post a link?

ian

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Oct 21, 2006 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Dan Healey and Steve Parrish

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Poster: Fishead Date: Oct 21, 2006 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

huh ?

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Poster: mcglone Date: Oct 21, 2006 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

i'm sure jerry would agree with parrish - he kept the fuel in the tank.

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Oct 22, 2006 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

"Member of the Band." Yes, you are quite right, the quippies were always seen as members of the band. Let us not forget Ramon Rodriguez, Rex jackson, Betty Cantor-Jackson, Owsley, Bob Bravlove, and all of the unsung heroes that were the backbone of the machine.

But I think the question really asks about the 12 people who made up the band over the years.


Certainly ain't Donna.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Oct 20, 2006 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Read Hunters journals on his website, kayaking and new Rhythm Devil lyrics tidbits. It's nice nice to hear from someone that I admire imensley (damn were is spellcheck when I need it), good stories, good thoughts, just life.

Thank you sharing with us RH!

http://www.dead.net/RobertHunterArchive/files/newjournal/56journal_2006.html

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Oct 21, 2006 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Billy is obviously the most under rated band member. Always hear people talk about Hunter when speaking about songs, meaning etc. When do you ever hear people talk about BK? Shit, you hear people talk more about Mickey and all his gadgets and cultural stuff. Listen to enough 72 through 74 and you'll know Billy could swing and was a real driving force in the music, helping it move and flow. Mickey was a "Percissionist". Anyway, Billy was there from the start to finish and NEVER gets his due.

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Poster: thewomble Date: Oct 25, 2006 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Billy. It's an old saying that a band is only as good as its drummer. I've been listening through the 1977 shows one by one for the last month or so, and there is some great exciting stuff there, but tonight I've switched back to 71 and the difference in the rhythm is striking. Billy on his own swings and adds wonderfully subtle fills. He dances through the songs. He emulates his hero Elvin Jones. The music becomes light and airy. By contrast the two drums of 77 and later gives him no space to play out and make a difference, and the rhythms are one-dimensional.

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 25, 2006 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Hmmmm. Maybe that's why I love '71 so much? I'll have to re-listen...

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Poster: thewomble Date: Oct 26, 2006 12:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Go for Ann Arbor in December. The Black Peter there encapsulates everything I love about the Dead. The rhythm works like reggae, and once you are in it you want it never to stop. The song is quiet and sparse, then builds to a tremendous climax in the middle before falling back again. There is time for long slow lead lines from Garcia that hang in the air. This is music that doesn't reach out and hit you. You have to go into it, into that world. That's what makes it so different from normal Rock and Roll. There's a great moment on 10th Novemebr 71 when Garcia answers someone calling up from the audience by saying 'If you want Rock and Roll go listen to Grand Funk!' They were doing something else. It wouldn't have worked in a big stadium full of partying and shouting. It's intimate. Lesh more or less said that when interviewed by a British reporter in 1981, and he complained that in America the band had taken to turning up the volume to drown out the audience, and it was a relief to come somewhere where people came to listen rather than party so the band could go back to being subtle and employing a full range of dynamics. Stadium rock requires bombast, and with Hart in the band they could deliver in spades. There are times when that is what we need to hear. But returning afterwards to the original band is like drinking crystaline water.

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Oct 21, 2006 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

Billy was (and is) THE drummer for the Grateful Dead. Mickey's addition in 1967 did propel them into the psychedelic stratosphere, but his absence in 1971-74 didn't hurt things a bit--no more than T.C.'s departure in January 1970. In fact, Billy took the helm at the second Portchester show--the night after Mickey left--and didn't miss a beat. Some credit Keith with the "jazzy" sound of 72-77, but Billy is just as responsible. Mickey's return in 1975 actually hurt the band as they had to alter thier sound to accomodate him rather than the other way around.

What a drummer! What a musician. Mickey is good as well; he just talks too much.


But, then again, my answer is Pig Pen. We don't really have much evidence of his position in '65--'67; whether he really "fronted" the band or not, he gave them street credibility with his blues and r&b authenticity. If you ever saw him do "Smokestack Lightning" in 1970 or "Hard to Handle" in 1971 or--best for last--"Lovelight," you know what I mean. If not, play a tape from 1968--listen to him testify on Caution--or 1969 orany of his years--listen to Copenhagen 1972 where he does that amazing rap on "Good Lovin."

I could not believe when when "Skullfuck" was released in 1971 with only Big Boss Man on it. The Fillmore East set makes up for this oversight with classic Pig--Good Lovin', Hard to Handle, Lovelight, others--showing his real contribution to the band.

As they say, when Pig raps, you'd better listen up. And take yo' hands out of yo' pockets.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Oct 26, 2006 10:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

YOu'all forgot someone

Bob Bralove- Even the band would tell you that-

he was the magician for "space" on the 80's and 90's working the tape loops and other assorted bells and whistles so to say

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Oct 20, 2006 11:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

billy

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Oct 20, 2006 5:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Most Under Rated Member of the Band

AshesRising on this forum is an avid fan of R. Hunter and has a wealth of stories, facts and tid bits on him. Look him up on here and reply to one of his posts, if he doesn't hit ya first on this thread.

Long Live Hunter!

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